314: The #1 Thing Holding You Back in Your Running - POD AUDIO
[00:00:00] This is the real life runners podcast, episode number 314. The number one thing holding you back in your running
[00:00:09] Angie: all right everybody. Welcome to the podcast Today we are gonna be addressing a very interesting topic that you may or may not have ever thought about before, but we're titling this, the number one thing holding you back in your running because this is one of those tricky things that affects all of us and depending on who you are and how much you like to dig deep into your thoughts and kind of see what's going on mentally, I.
You may or may not be [00:01:00] aware of what is happening. So today we wanna show you one of the biggest things that's holding you back in your running so that you can start to notice it more in your life, in your running, in your goal setting, so that you can achieve your goals. And this is one of those things that applies to our running and also to every other area of our life because.
A lot of times when we're coaching runners and we're talking to people, we see a lot of people not achieving their goals and when they're not achieving their goals. They think that something must be wrong with me. You know, some, we think that something's wrong with us. Maybe I'm just not capable of achieving this goal that I want, or I'm feeling lazy or unmotivated or incapable again, you know, so we think that there's something wrong with us, but in reality, If we feel that way, you're probably thinking, or you're probably not realizing how much of an influence your subconscious thoughts and beliefs have over your actions.
[00:01:57] Kevin: Right. And the, I mean, that's really where this whole episode is [00:02:00] going is the number one thing holding you back is stuck up in your head. Like if you had talked to me years and years ago when I first got into running, I was pretty confident. The one thing holding me back was just putting more miles on my legs.
Right. You talked to me about five years in, I'm like, well, the one thing holding me back is that I'm not pushing hard enough in certain workouts. And then it's like, oh, well I need to, the thing holding me back is the balance between going fast and going moderate and making sure I'm recovering enough, like it kept being these physical things.
But that's not at all the one thing, the the one thing that's holding it back at all come, comes under the same umbrella.
[00:02:35] Angie: Right. Or we like to blame lifestyle things. Right? That's a good one. Like we, we blame our, our schedule, like the one thing holding me back is my schedule. Like I'm so busy time. Busy time.
Time restrictions. Time restrictions. I'm so busy that I don't have enough time to train or the one thing holding me back is, My, my kids, like, I've got so many things going on with my kids. I mean, what I mean, I know I've done it before. I know that I've blamed my kids for things. It's not their [00:03:00] fault. No, definitely not.
It's not, it's not our kids' fault. It's, it's, it's our fault. Like, and we just don't wanna take responsibility a lot of times for what we are or aren't doing. And a lot of times it's because we don't realize it. And I think that's the really important thing that we wanna point out today. It's nothing that you are quote unquote doing wrong, and it's just something that you might not realize is affecting you.
And so our goal of this episode is really to start to shine a light on that area so that you can start to notice when your ego is getting in your way, because your ego is the number one thing holding you back from all the goals that you. Want to achieve. And the reason that you're not achieving those goals is because of your ego.
Now, what do we mean by your ego? Let's just do like a quick intro before we get into this because you might be thinking to yourself, I don't have an ego, right? Like I don't have an ego. Like I'm a very humble person. And so ego, the way that we're gonna speak of it [00:04:00] today is not. This idea of being egotistical, right?
So what is the ego when you look it up in the dictionary, the ego is a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance. And so a lot of times people are like, well, I don't have an ego, which is the same thing as it's not. Cuz we all have an ego. Every single person on the planet has an ego. But when we think that, like the word ego has been associated with the word egotistical.
[00:04:27] Kevin: I, I don't have an inflated ego. I think it's, that's what people are trying to say. Cause it has a negative connotation that way.
[00:04:32] Angie: What they are trying to say is that they're not egotistical. Yes. Because the word egotistical, when you look that up in the dictionary, that means excessively conceded.
Or absorbed in oneself. Another synonym would be arrogant. Right? And so we don't like to think, oh, that, that you're arrogant. I'm not arrogant. That is the, I think when people say, I don't have an ego, it means I'm not arrogant.
[00:04:53] Kevin: Yeah. I think that's what they're going for. But everybody has a sense of self.
Everybody has a sense of their own self-esteem and self importance. Like you have that you, [00:05:00] you have hands and feet, you have a, an ego. It's all part of the package.
[00:05:04] Angie: Right. But the way that we wanna look at. Ego today in this episode, it, yes, it is our self sense of self importance, but it's also the psychology definition of ego, which is the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious, and our ego is what's responsible for.
Reality testing and that sense of personal identity. So who you think you are is part of your ego, okay? Your sense of identity, your sense of reality, of, of the world around you, of what the world is and how the world works. All of that is part of your ego. So that's really what we're talking about today.
So, If you first heard the word ego and you're like, oh, this doesn't apply to me because I don't have an ego, like I want you to try to get rid of that idea because we all do have an ego, and I want you to try to kind of clean the slate. It doesn't mean you're egotistical. It doesn't mean you're arrogant.
It doesn't mean you're self-important, okay? It means that you have [00:06:00] an ego because you have a sense of identity. You have a sense of the way that the world works and what you think, how you think reality is or is not right, and our mind. Is what dictates that our beliefs and our thoughts. Like cuz because we start having thoughts and those thoughts turn into beliefs, and then when our thoughts transfer from a thought to a belief, we stop questioning it.
We start, we stop thinking about it because it just becomes ingrained in our sense of self. It becomes ingrained in who we are. This is who I am and this is what I believe.
[00:06:31] Kevin: Yeah, yeah. That, that whole. Ego as, as something related into psychology. Mm-hmm. Which is much more your, your route. I get the concept behind it of I've learned it, but it was decades ago that I
[00:06:41] Angie: learned this.
Yeah. In, in your self-paced psychology class? Freshman year
[00:06:44] Kevin: of college? No, that was senior year of college. Oh, was senior year. Yeah. No, I think I actually learned more psychology in my senior year of high school. Yeah. When I was like really into. My psych teacher was amazing. Senior year. Yeah. And then, um, but then on this whole idea of like my, my personal identity, my sense of self, um, [00:07:00] amusingly when I tried to write about, like going way back to Freud's, uh, ID ego and super ego.
I was accused of plagiarism my freshman year of college. Really? Yeah. Cuz I knew the concept. So I put it into like an English paper and the teacher was like, we didn't discuss this in class. Clearly. You, I don't know. I, I didn't Google it. It was so what happened? I had to go have like a meeting with a professor.
You had to go to like academic counsel? No, I had to like go to his office. Yeah. It was like one-on-one. He was like, I don't think that you wrote this Uhhuh. I think you found this somewhere. And and so he made me just sit there and just explain it like he was holding my paper. Yeah. And he made me explain what I was talking about in my paper to him.
And so you could do it. Yeah. Cuz I knew what I was talking about. Right? Yeah. He still gave me a b plus. I was so mad.
[00:07:45] Angie: Oh, because he didn't wanna lose face. His sense of ego was threatened.
[00:07:49] Kevin: Yes. Clearly.
[00:07:51] Angie: Clearly I was wrong about this. Um, but that, but that's the thing. So, all right. So how. Is our ego holding us back.
Okay, so let's, [00:08:00] there's, there's two ways that we wanna look at this today cuz you guys know that we like to look at things from different angles. So the first way that we're gonna look at this is the way that our ego holds us back. And then the second way that we're gonna look at it is the way that we can satisfy our ego.
So that is gonna be more into that idea of being more egotistical and self-important. So we're gonna look at this in both ways,
[00:08:19] Kevin: which, which does show up in, in. Hundred, most of us. All of us, probably a hundred percent
[00:08:24] Angie: in, in varying degrees. That's a, it's just a matter of how much. Exactly. And so we, we might not want to admit to it, but it does affect us.
And I think that, again, the point of this episode is to bring that awareness that you guys start to notice these patterns. You start to notice when these things are happening so that you can catch them and. Change them if you want to. If you want to. If you want to. Right? Always if you want to. Cuz you always have the choice in this.
Okay, so how does our ego hold us back? So oftentimes what we see, Are people feeling disappointed because they're not achieving their goals? Mm-hmm. Right. And if you're feeling [00:09:00] that way, a lot of times what we often see in people is that they're not doing the things that they want to do or the things that they need to do to achieve their goals.
And a lot of times they say, oh, well I'm just lazy, or I'm just, um, I'm not motivated. Yeah, that's a lot of what comes out. It's like laziness and lack of motivation and. Really, it's our ego that is trying to protect us because our ego is there to help protect our sense of self and our identity. So if you have an identity and a sense of self saying that you are not an athlete, like I'm not an athlete.
Mm-hmm. I'm not really a runner. I'm not a real runner. Right. I just, I run, I, I jog. I jog. Right. It's this sense of self. And so all of a sudden, if you want to run a half marathon, and in your mind running a half marathon would be what a real runner would do. Yep. Your ego is like, wait a second, we're not real runner.
Yeah. We're I, I'm not a real runner. I
[00:09:58] Kevin: can't do that. We've been saying [00:10:00] for years, we're not real runners. Real runners run a half marathon. So your whole idea that you're going to seems ludicrous. Mm-hmm. Because it doesn't fit your identity. Exactly. And your conscious, your, your ego is there to maintain your identity.
Mm-hmm. Like that's really what it wants. To do is it doesn't want to change itself. It just wants to be as stable as possible because it provides this sense of security. Exactly.
[00:10:20] Angie: And so throughout our lives, from the time that we are smaller than we remember that we're, you know, able to actually remember memory, like make memories and whatnot.
We've been developing our sense of self, we've been developing our ego, and so we develop these thoughts and beliefs about. Who we are and what we are capable of based on the things that we learn, what we see in our family and our friends, like what we're exposed to, the trauma that we've experienced in our life, because we've all experienced some form of trauma, but a lot of this.
Might be conscious at the time that we're experiencing it, but then becomes very unconscious and kind of just is this undercurrent [00:11:00] of how we operate in the world.
[00:11:02] Kevin: Yeah. And it puts these like these limits on us because we're like, we've created this little box that we're supposed to exist inside of, and anything that would stretch the size of our box, Without us even realizing like it's, it's a glass wall in front of us mm-hmm.
That we're like, oh, well I don't really want to go outside of that. And I'm not even sure why, but it feels better over here. Yeah. Cause you can't even see that there's a wall
[00:11:23] Angie: holding you back. I was just about to say that. Yeah. Like you don't, you don't even know you wanna go on the other side of it. Yeah.
Because you don't even know there's a wall there. Right.
[00:11:29] Kevin: Because it's glass. Yeah. But, but for some reason, it's better to just stay here. Mm-hmm. I, I, I should not go over there. And in fact, you've created a wall in between these things. Right. Your ego has put up a wall that says it's safer over here to go way back to, to caveman.
It's safer in the cave. Mm-hmm. You go outside, you get eaten by the big, scary animals.
[00:11:47] Angie: Right. And a lot of this is unconscious and so, Going back to what I mentioned before, this is not your fault, right? This is not because you are not good enough. It's not because you are lazy. It's not because you're [00:12:00] lacking motivation.
It's because you have unconscious thoughts and beliefs about who you are and what you're capable of that you might not even be aware of. And so people are saying, okay, well, What is, what is my ego? How do I find it? How do I change these things? And this is the thing about ego. It's a tricky little sucker.
Yeah, right? It likes to disguise itself a lot. And so there are lots of different ways that our ego tends to disguise itself, and we're gonna go over a couple here. It could be
[00:12:26] Kevin: so convenient if it was just like, I feel my ego is making its presence known. But that's not the sensation that you get inside, right?
You don't get this sensation of, well, my ego is stepping up and holding me back from doing this thing.
[00:12:36] Angie: Well be, and you don't even realize that. This is how we're making decisions. Right? Right. Because we, we don't consciously think to ourself, well, I'm not a real runner, therefore I can't run a half marathon.
It's, that is
[00:12:47] Kevin: not the internal dialogue we have. That's not usually just say, I can't run it
[00:12:51] Angie: or we leap to that, or I wish I could, but I'm too lazy. Oh, I wish I could. That's a good one too. I wish I could. Mm-hmm. Right. And so, How does [00:13:00] our ego disguise ourselves? So one of the biggest ways that our ego disguises itself is fear.
And there's a lot of types of fear. And I'm just gonna mention a couple here, and I'm sure that you can come up with more because this is definitely not an all-inclusive list, but fear of judgment is one of the biggest ones that I see, right? Because we. May or may not even be conscious that we are afraid of this judgment.
Yep. But what will people think? If I, if I put this goal out there or if I do this thing, what will people think? And sometimes that is a conscious thought, right? Sometimes we think to ourselves, I would really love to do this, but I'm not sure what other people would think of it. Right? Yeah. Starting a business.
Okay. Like when I decided to start our business, it's like I'm. Not, I'm, I'm leaving physical therapy. I've spent all of these years, all of this time and money and, and things being a physical therapist. But now I wanna start a business. What would people think? People are gonna think I'm stupid. People are gonna think I'm [00:14:00] dumb.
Why would I leave such a stable, excellent profession? And it was, and I was happy doing physical therapy. Right? Yeah. I just wanted more, like, to me it, there was just this internal sense of, I, I wanna do more, I wanna help more people. I wanna be able to, To reach and, and have a greater impact and help more people in the world.
Right. But what will people think of me? Yeah.
[00:14:21] Kevin: I think that one's often kind of a conscious question that we ask. Yeah. Is what will people think? It's just that most people don't label it as the ego showing up. Mm-hmm. But it really is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's the ego of what will people think if you leave the box that you've safely put yourself in, people have.
People, including yourself, have put you in this box. So if you try and do something outside of the box, one, you're judging yourself. And because you judge yourself, you assume everybody around you is judging you too.
[00:14:47] Angie: Yeah. But I wanna kind of debate what you just said. You said people put you in a
[00:14:52] Kevin: box. No, you, you put yourself
[00:14:54] Angie: inside the box.
Yeah. You said both, right? You said people put you in this box and one of those people is yourself. But I think that we are the [00:15:00] only ones that put ourselves in boxes like other people. Have ideas about us. Sure. Right. And so in their heads, they might have us in a certain box. Right? But we're, we're the ones, we're the only ones that can actually accept that box and, and put ourselves into that box of what they think.
[00:15:15] Kevin: I mean, I, I see this with so many kids in my classroom, is I see them within the, the construct of classroom environment. Yeah. So I love to talk to the kids and be like, what do you do outside of this? Cuz I know them in terms of their math capabilities. Mm-hmm. And maybe the kid is not phenomenal at math, but they might be like a superstar at something else.
So being able to, to look at them in a different perspective from a different angle is huge. Because I don't wanna confine them and be like, well, this kid doesn't try very hard. They're not very successful. They seem kinda lazy in this. Maybe they're just, this is not their thing. Yeah. So let's look at it from another angle and be like, look, you can work really hard.
You can be really successful. Let's apply those skills over here. Mm. [00:16:00] It's, it's funny when I, I, I see kids and I'm like, they're super quiet. They don't do anything. They seem very unmotivated. And then, you know, their sport shows up in the spring. Yeah. And I've known them for like six months already. And it's like, oh, they're, they're captain of the sport in the spring.
Mm-hmm. And they won't stop talking and they lead the entire team. It's
[00:16:17] Angie: weird. Yeah. So again, there's that judgment, right, of like what other people might think of us that I think does hold us back. And I know that one way, this definitely held me back. Was this idea of running with my shirt off, right?
Because I've always been very conscious. I shouldn't say I've always been, see, look, there's my ego again, right? Of like, this is how I am or this how I've been. Um, growing up I was very self-conscious about my own body, especially my stomach. Like it was always, that's kind of one of the areas that I've just like been very self-conscious about.
I wanted to cover it up and so when it's obviously very hot in South Florida. Yes. Especially in the summertime. And this was five years ago now, but my friend was like, we were running together, we [00:17:00] were doing a speed workout and I'm like, oh my God, it's so hot, this shirt, blah, blah, blah. And she, my friend's like, just take it off.
And I'm like, take off my shirt. Like, no thank you. But no, you know, be because what would other people think about my body? Mm-hmm. It's that that was the fear. It wasn't like what I think, cuz I already knew that I was self-conscious about it. Right. I already know. Thoughts on this. Right. But it was also like, what would other people think?
Like, oh, people see me as in shape or fit or a runner. But if they see my stomach, maybe, oh my goodness. Maybe their, their thought about me would change.
[00:17:33] Kevin: It's funny you have this whole idea of running with without a shirt on. Yeah. I have shorts that I only wear for speed days. Mm-hmm. And one, they're, they're nice shorts, so I like to wear them cuz they, I can move well in them, but, I'm like, should I wear those shorts?
If I'm just going at like an comfortable, easy pace, people are gonna be like, whoa, that's an awkward look. But for some reason if I go fast enough, then it's okay. Yeah. Then I can wear the, the shorts with that in team. Well,
[00:17:57] Angie: I remember you telling me about [00:18:00] the team. When was this, um, when you were in high school?
I think it was like before you were there when the boys team. Was wearing like the pink and flowery shorts? No, that was like in the
[00:18:09] Kevin: eighties. That was like a decade before I got high school. That was ok. Yeah. They were getting well made fun of by the other teams around them. Mm-hmm. It was an all boys high school and so they were getting mocked by the other teams around them and they were like, okay coach, we need new uniform shorts and we would like them to be, um, extremely short and pink flowers.
Mm-hmm. And coach is like, what? What are you talking about? He goes, everybody's giving us a real hard time, so we'd like to beat everybody and we'd like to be wearing these pink
[00:18:33] Angie: shorts while we do it. Right. So in your head it's like you can only wear those types of shorts if you're really, if to a certain level, if you're really fast.
Yep. And you can just. Prove to everyone that you're better than them. And
[00:18:43] Kevin: I used to wear, I, I was one of the kids in high school that wore the short shorts. I was like the, the stereotypical cross country high school kid. Yeah. Like, how short can my shorts be? And I'm never going to wear a shirt like that was me in high school.
I got to college and I was trying to hang onto the back of the team. [00:19:00] And so, I mean, I wore what I wore, but then it came out of it and I, I had this new. Identity. Mm-hmm. Essentially that I was like, I was not that fast. Yeah, you were the slower one though. I was one of the slower people. Mm-hmm. So I shouldn't really wear these shorts.
I should wear some longer shorts. And then I started coaching, and I used coaching as a justification. Be like, well, I shouldn't wear the short shorts at practice. I'll wear a bit longer, a little more conservative at practice. Right. And I think it all just kind of blended into each, into itself.
[00:19:29] Angie: But how funny is it that that could have been your ego trying to protect you?
[00:19:33] Kevin: And, and using coaching as justification to be like, well, I shouldn't have the short shorts at practice. Yeah. Although I still think that some of my shorts would be awkward at practice. I,
[00:19:40] Angie: I would agree with that. I, I don't think that's necessarily ego. I think that,
[00:19:43] Kevin: I think there's a combination involved perhaps on a couple of their, yeah.
[00:19:47] Angie: I don't, I don't know if the parents, again, what will they think? But you know, So, um, so yeah, so fear of judgment is definitely a big way that our ego tries to disguise itself. Fear of failure is another [00:20:00] one, so, Right. What if I don't succeed? So a lot of times I'll, I'll see people and I know that I have fallen into this trap as well, of having a big goal in mind that you might want to go after.
And setting a smaller one instead. Yep. Setting a smaller goal that doesn't challenge me as much, that I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna be able to achieve. That's not gonna stretch me that much. It'll stretch me a little bit. Yeah. Right. Like I'll, I'll still have to work for that goal. Mm-hmm. Um, it's not like it'll just get handed to me.
But I'm 90, more than 90% sure that I'm going to achieve that thing.
[00:20:33] Kevin: Yeah. I need to work for it. Yeah. But if I do, I'm pretty much gonna get the goal. Mm-hmm. As opposed to the real stretch goal that I could work Mateo off for this and still come up short. Yeah. Like that's really, that's an extreme reach goal.
Mm-hmm. And it, if they're scary, they are because your odds of failure are substantially high. And then what
[00:20:51] Angie: will that mean about me? Yeah. Like, right. If I fail, what will that mean about me? Then I'm a
[00:20:55] Kevin: giant failure. Right. So it, that seems dangerous. That seems like a scary one. Mm-hmm. [00:21:00] I like putting the goals out there that are like, seems so ludicrous, but then giving yourself smaller steps that will be mm-hmm.
Progression steps towards that crazy
[00:21:08] Angie: goal. Well, yeah. And that's what we teach in inside the academy. Yeah. You know, we teach a, a multi-step goal setting process of having that big goal, but then breaking that big goal down into those smaller steps that we know that we. We are more confident that we can achieve.
Yeah. Right. And that will get us closer to that big goal. And is that big goal ultimately, like we might not achieve it, right? Yeah, depending on how big that goal is. But it doesn't mean anything about you and who you are as a person
[00:21:35] Kevin: if you don't. Yeah. But that, I mean, fear of failure shows up all the time in goal
[00:21:38] Angie: setting.
Here's another one that's very interesting, very interesting one you guys, and this is one that people love to debate and it is the fear of success and people are like, I'm not afraid of success. Why would I be afraid of success? Mm-hmm. Like I've had that thought before when I first started hearing about this, and it's not that we are afraid of achieving the goal, it's that we are [00:22:00] afraid of change.
We are afraid of how will my life be different if I achieve this thing? Because overall, Going back to this sense of ego and our sense of self and identity, we, our ego likes to be stable. Our e our ego likes to keep us safe, and so we are just afraid of change in general, even if it's positive change, because we're set in our ways as humans.
We know this place, even if you're not a hundred percent happy or fulfilled or satisfied. You still know it, right? Like there's an old story that I've heard a lot of different times about the dog. That's where I was going. We've uh, we've told this story before on the podcast, so bear with us, but a, a guy's walking by his neighbor's house and he sees his neighbor and a dog sitting on the front porch and the dog is whimpering.
And he says to the dog, to the owner, why is the dog whimpering? And the owner says, well, he's sitting on a nail. Then he said, well, why doesn't he just get up? And he said, because it doesn't [00:23:00] hurt enough yet. Yeah. And it's. That we will stay in pain, we will stay in discomfort because it's known. Mm-hmm. And he doesn't realize that he can get up.
He doesn't even realize that he can change. And oftentimes I think that we are the same way. Mm-hmm. Conscious or unconscious? It depends, right? It depends because sometimes we do this very unconsciously. We don't even realize that there are other options for
[00:23:26] Kevin: us. Yeah, I think fear of success is, is often more unconscious, but I'm sure that other people would completely disagree and be like, no, no, no.
I recognize fear of failure when it comes up and sometimes I've undercut my own goals, but fear of success, I think it's sneaky. It is. It's trickier because it doesn't. It doesn't make sense when you first hear the idea of, right, like, why would I not want to accomplish my goals? Mm-hmm. Why would I purposely sabotage myself and not actually go for the success?
Right? But the answer is the same reason that you would not go, that you would try to avoid the failure is you don't want to be in an [00:24:00] uncomfortable position. And anything different is automatically
[00:24:03] Angie: uncomfortable, right? Because all of these different types of fears are all fears of the unknown. We're un, we're.
We don't, we're not sure what people are gonna think, right? That, that fear of judgment, we're not sure if we're gonna succeed or not. That fear of failure, we're not sure how our life is going to be different if we do succeed. It's all fear of the unknown, and we as humans, our ego tries to protect us from the unknown because it's our ego's job to basically keep us safe and keep us alive.
Yeah. And anything that we don't know about yet, Could potentially kill us. Like that is our, our like lower reptilian brain, you know, like our unevolved side of our brain that tells us like, danger. Danger. There's something unknown. You could possibly die.
[00:24:47] Kevin: Yeah. I mean, I think most of us can, can take that.
You can possibly die. And then s. Spin it into new modern world. It's probably not a bear. It's probably not a tiger coming at you. But that's the
[00:24:58] Angie: reaction that we physically [00:25:00] have in our bodies. Yes. Right? Yes. Like our sympathetic nervous system, our fight or flight response is activated when we think about stressful situations.
Yep. Even emotionally stressful. Yes. Not necessarily physically stressful, but through a running into the mix. And you're also, it's also a physical stress on the body.
[00:25:14] Kevin: Yes. So like, In the actual like race environment. And this is what gets me on. Like you get major road marathons, like races that people have, have possibly the Olympics.
Mm-hmm. Things that people have been working for years for, yeah. Not just like, oh, well they worked really hard the last 12 weeks in this latest cycle, but could have been working for years. Yeah. And never hit a gold medal. Never, never hit a podium before. Mm-hmm. And they find themselves with a few miles to go in a podium position in like a gold medal position.
Right. You've gotta somehow go through all these different fears mm-hmm. And be like, okay, I need to block out all of that. Fear of failure. What if, what if I miss a water bottle and everything starts falling apart? Right? What? What if I don't miss a water bottle and I hang on and suddenly I'm a gold medalist?
Like, what the heck is gonna happen there? Because there's so [00:26:00] much that could show up. You have to get past all of that because, Your brain sucks the most energy out of your body. Mm-hmm. And so if you're already at physical limit and now your brain is working overdrive, right. You're going to exhaust yourself even faster and you're already trying to do a physically hard
[00:26:14] Angie: thing.
Yeah. It's, it's crazy. Right? Like and you were talking about people that work for a goal for years and years and years. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, I'm reading Des Linden's autobiography right now. Mm-hmm. Which is a fantastic read. It's called Choosing to Run, if any of you are interested. Um, and the story starts back in, like, I.
I think she ran her first marathon in like 2006 or 2007. Mm-hmm. And she didn't win Boston until 2018, right? Right. Like she finished, I think it was second 2000. No. Yeah, she did, but I think it was 2007 or 2008 where she finished second in the Boston Marathon. Mm-hmm. And she didn't actually win it until, 10 years later.
Yeah, in 2018. Um, I might be a little off on those years. I, I can't remember when she finished second. Um, I thought it
[00:26:57] Kevin: was 2011,
[00:26:58] Angie: but I could be off, I could look. No, [00:27:00] cuz I think it was in the, it was, she was talking about the Beijing Olympics. Like, cuz that, that's the part of the book I'm actually in right now.
Okay. That she was talking about training for, um, Beijing with like some of her teammates and things like that. But again, years and years and years of preparation and she. Finally won it in 2018. But again, like the way that everything kind of came together that day, which is also a really cool part of the book to kind of re read like where she was and mentally and physically like going into that.
Um, so. You know, it's, it's a lot. And there's a, there was a chance that she couldn't have, you know, she might not have won that race. Right. Yeah. So it's like
[00:27:35] Kevin: how there's always a chance of not winning. Right. The unknown is enormous.
[00:27:39] Angie: Right. And so it's like, are we willing to do the work for a very long period of time, even if we might not have achieve the goal?
All right. Let's move on to another way that ego disguises itself. And that is procrastination. I know that this is definitely one of the things I've fallen in the trap of before, and I used to call myself a procrastinator. Like go Like what? Like [00:28:00] if I'm, if I tell myself I'm a procrastinator, of course I'm going to procrastinate.
[00:28:04] Kevin: Yeah. Right. That's probably not setting me up for college
[00:28:06] Angie: success. Right. But a lot of times we procrastinate, we just put it off. So that we don't have to make a decision, right? She's like, I wanna run a half marathon, but I delay signing up for the race because I'm not sure I can do it. Well, I wanna
[00:28:19] Kevin: check and see if my training is on track.
Mm-hmm. If I get a little bit further along my training, right. Am I actually ready? I'm not sure. And you can always find things in your training to be like, well, I should probably do this test race or see if I can get this like, This six week block built in, or I, until I can hit this exact workout, then I won't do it.
And then you hit that one, you'll come up with another workout that you have. There's always a reason. There's always something that you can put in your training plan and say, well, until I get to that part, mm-hmm. I really shouldn't sign up because I might not be successful.
[00:28:46] Angie: Right. And there's. So again, that's kind of like getting into another way that ego can, um, disguise itself, which is logic like, oh yeah, it's logical that I should probably run a 50 mile before I run a hundred mile, [00:29:00] like going back to you.
Sure. And, and your training for the keys 100. Like, I wanna make sure that I can at least run a 50 mile before I actually sign up for the race. Yep. Totally logical. Yeah. Right. I should be able to run at least half the distance, but again, one of those ways that our ego tries to protect us. Yeah. I
[00:29:14] Kevin: just heard a, a podcast the other day.
It was listening to how. They, they made a great question. Um, for any ultra marathon listeners, they asked the person, when you're training for a marathon, a lot of people say, if you can get to 20, you can get to the finish line. Mm-hmm. What's the equivalent for racing a hundred? Right. And he suggested it was a hundred K.
If you can get to 62 miles, then you can make it to the finish line, which sounds ludicrous. Right. If you can get to 62, don't worry. The last. 38 will take care of themselves. Right. But that was, that
[00:29:43] Angie: was his suggestion. Yeah. I mean, because so much of it is mental, like yes, of course there's a huge physical aspect of an ultra marathon, but so much of it is the mental strength that you need just to grit through it.
Yeah. And just keep going. Um, so one last way that we wanna talk about [00:30:00] before we get into part two. Of the ways, um, one, one last step inside of, part one of the way that our ego likes to disguise itself is confusion and overwhelm. I'm not sure what to do, so I just don't do anything, or I'm not sure what to do, so I'm just gonna keep doing what I've always
[00:30:19] Kevin: done.
Yeah. I think there that, it's kind of related to procrastination. On the first one, it, I'm not sure what to do, so I don't do anything. Right. It's confus. I'm just gonna put it off. It's confusion. Leading to procrastination. Correct. It's. It's procrastination through endless logic. Mm-hmm. Of, well, there's so many things.
I'm not sure where I would even start. Right? So I won't start exactly.
[00:30:40] Angie: But to achieve a goal that you've never accomplished, you have to do things that you've never done. And I'm gonna say that again because this is really important. To achieve a goal that you've never accomplished, you have to do things that you've never done.
And oftentimes we get stuck. We get stuck in [00:31:00] confusion because we're not sure what to do. We're not sure what the next step, quote unquote should be. So we just don't do anything, and we're here to tell you again, that is the way that your ego is keeping you, you safe, and your ego is holding you back because you don't have to be.
Completely clear about the next 10 steps. And I think oftentimes we do that, right? Like we're not sure all 10 steps to get to our goal, so we just stop it stops us from taking the first one, and oftentimes we just need to take the first one, right? I don't, I, I know I should be strength training, right?
Mm-hmm. I, I listen to the Real Life Runners podcast. They talk about strength training all the time. Angie's super knowledgeable and a physical therapist.
[00:31:42] Kevin: Right. My Kevin's finally got on board and waving the flag for strength
[00:31:45] Angie: training. There's my ego talking, right? No, but I know I should be strength training, but I don't know what exercises to do, so I'm just gonna keep running more.
[00:31:54] Kevin: 10% more miles this week. Right?
[00:31:56] Angie: Exactly. Exactly, because YouTube is a rabbit [00:32:00] hole, right? Oh yeah. Like I don't even know where to start there, right? So I'm just gonna keep running more because I also heard that if you wanna get better as a runner, you just have to run more. And I like that that fits into my model better.
[00:32:11] Kevin: my personal narrative. And it doesn't, it it. It kind of stretches me outside my box, but it keeps me running. But it's still familiar. Yes, it's familiar.
[00:32:20] Angie: It's familiar. Running is familiar. I know. Miles. I can just, just do more of
[00:32:24] Kevin: them, so. So it works with the logic also because it seems reasonable that running a little bit more will get you a little bit faster.
but I think we can avoid this overwhelm by understanding that there's a lot of paths in front of us and picking one of them. Mm-hmm. So many times we wanna take all these steps and line them up and be like, all right, I've got these 10 things that I need to do. So first I do this, then I do that, then I do that.
In all likelihood, it doesn't matter which one you do first. Just pick one of the steps and do that one, and then when you're feeling comfortable with that one, do another step. You just need to start adding things in. You're like, oh, well I need to do more [00:33:00] running, and the speed and the strength training and the mobility.
Pick one. Pick one and start doing that thing
[00:33:05] Angie: or find help. Like, reach out, reach out, like reach out and, and find a coach, or find a mentor, find a running group. Find someone to help you that knows what they're doing. If you're looking to do strength training, you know, maybe you go to the gym and you hire a personal trainer, or maybe you join, um, a, a strength training group online, or you figure out some way to move forward.
But when you start to feel confused or overwhelmed, Catch yourself. Right? Like, and ask yourself, okay, why am I feeling confused? Why am I feeling overwhelmed? What's the next step that I can take? Right? Maybe that next step is I'm gonna, I'm gonna spend 10 minutes on YouTube. Okay. Maybe that next step is I'm gonna look into the real Life Runners Training Academy, because I know that Angie and Kevin can help me.
Cuz we can, okay. Maybe that next step is I'm gonna research gyms in my area. Mm-hmm. And try to find a personal trainer. Maybe that next step is I'm gonna ask my family and friends if they've got a personal trainer that they recommend. Right. Like, Maybe I'm [00:34:00] gonna research running groups. There's so many different options.
[00:34:03] Kevin: Pick one, pick one, pick one. And do all six of those things. Pick one and then, and then make a
[00:34:08] Angie: decision. Well, cuz then once you do the one, then you can decide yes or no. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, I'm gonna look into this option. Is that the way I wanna go or not? Yep. Right. Okay. Maybe let me, let me have a couple options.
Okay. I'm gonna look into all these different ones, but then I'm just gonna choose one and
[00:34:23] Kevin: move forward. That's, which is the key is ultimately you have to, right. To get to the action, you have to be done with the research portion. Mm-hmm. Pick one and do it. Cuz you can't really guarantee if it's gonna give you the successful results until you do the thing.
Right. And then you can go back and be like, all right, I should have taken a different path. And that's gonna be okay also. Yep,
[00:34:39] Angie: exactly. All right. The next part that we wanna get into here is, Again, the way that our ego holds us back and this way that we're gonna look at ego is that sense of self-importance.
Okay. It's more of the dictionary definition. Doing things to just satisfy our ego. Doing things to help ourselves feel good [00:35:00] enough. Yes, is I think that a lot, a lot of. What we try to do that again, we don't realize that we're doing like some, in some way, we we're feeling like we're not good enough, and that if we just accomplish this thing, then we can prove something to ourselves or then we can prove something to someone else and it's doing things that we think we should do.
Yep. That provide that brief satisfaction or that more shallow sense of satisfaction. And oftentimes we do this because we're feeling. A lack of satisfaction when we achieve our goals or, or becau, or I shouldn't say that. I should. It's the opposite actually. It's doing things that we think we should do and then when we actually accomplish those things Yep.
Then we feel that lack of satisfaction, even though we've achieved the goal, like we've actually achieved the goal, but we're still feeling a little bit empty inside.
[00:35:51] Kevin: Well, cuz the goal might not have been all that worthwhile. The goal might have, might have for you. Yes. The goal might have only provided that very brief, that very shallow satisfaction [00:36:00] because, It, it wasn't that big of a thing for you.
Mm-hmm. Like one of the biggest ways this shows up is, is goal setting. Mm-hmm. Where the goal really isn't, uh, all that important. It's not a deeply connected goal for you, could be for somebody else. Mm-hmm. But your friend signs up and does this marathon and you say, oh yeah. I'm also going to do it, but they have like a deep emotional connection to it.
They're raising money for something. Maybe they've got, I don't know, whatever the, the life desire is. Mm-hmm. That said, yes, 26 months seems like a winner. And if you don't have that and you're just like, yeah, well my friend's doing it, I'll also do it. It's not going to be as satisfying. And so you do this thing.
Mm-hmm. Maybe partway through training, it starts getting a little dragging on you. And ultimately, even if you make it to the race, it's not gonna be this deeply satisfying thing because you piggybacked onto somebody else's goal. Yeah.
[00:36:52] Angie: Um, same thing with prs. Yeah. Right? Like running a marathon is a great example or.
Half marathon, any race distance, right? Yeah. Signing up for a [00:37:00] race because your friends are doing it. If it's important for you to be connected with your friends and you're going into it with that as the goal of like, I just wanna go and and spend some time with my friends, fantastic. But if one of your friends has a goal of setting a PR at that same race and you don't have that same goal, it's gonna be a lot harder for you to do some of the work necessary to achieve that thing.
Yes. Or even if you do achieve the same time as your friend, it's not gonna mean as much to you. You're gonna be like, okay, you know, like, yeah, that was cool. Yeah, I did it. But it's not gonna give you that same level of satisfaction as your friend that has a very, you know, strong connection to, to that goal.
[00:37:39] Kevin: mean, I think chasing PRS is always a tricky thing. Yeah. And it's almost entirely done for. Uh, you know, satisfying your ego is there's a number out there. If I get that number, I'll feel better. And that number can always get lower. Yeah. Like, it really can. And I think it gets, even Dan, more dangerous if that number starts being prescribed by other [00:38:00] people.
Uhhuh, you know, to get a Boston qualifying time. You didn't come up with that number. Somebody else, there was a committee that came up with the numbers to figure out what it is, what, what it's going to be to get like a London best of age time. Yeah. Like there's. All sorts of races and they dictate a time.
And so you're like, oh, well, if I get that time, then I'll be good enough. But you didn't create that time. So when you hit the thing, how satisfying is it going to be? Well,
[00:38:24] Angie: it depends on the meaning that you place on achieving that goal. Thank you. Thank you for saying that was perfect. Because it's not necessarily the number, it's what that number means.
Yep. Right. And so it's like if I hit a BQ and I know that I am quote unquote good enough mm-hmm. To run the Boston Marathon. Then that's gonna put me in the elite, 1% of all marathon runners ever, whatever. I'm not sure if that's an accurate statistic, so don't quote me on that one, but it's what does that number mean?
Yep. To you and what does that number mean to other people? Also, I wanna run a bq. [00:39:00] Because then other people will see me as a good runner, then I will earn the respect of my running group.
[00:39:06] Kevin: I think you've gone to the bad place at that point, right? I wanna run a BQ so that I can tell other people that I did it.
Mm-hmm. Because then they will think that I am imp impressive enough as a runner. Well, it's impressive enough
[00:39:16] Angie: and I don't think it's the bad place, it's just that we have to be aware of it. Yeah. I don't think any of this is good or bad. I think it's just. Understanding the reason that we do things. Yeah.
And it's, it's understanding our motivation and our connection to those numbers, to our goals. And if it's important for you to fit in with your running group, then do it. Like, I'm not gonna judge you for, for that. It's not my, my, my life, it's not my goal. But if that's a really important goal for you to achieve, fantastic.
Like, just understand the reason behind it, right. And have that. Connection to your goal?
[00:39:52] Kevin: Yeah. Understand what, why you have that pr. Yeah. Like did you just pick a number? Did you pick a number that somebody else created for you? Right. And how [00:40:00] deeply connected are you
[00:40:00] Angie: to it? Well, I think that where it becomes more problematic and what you're saying, more of the bad place, you know, uh, again, trying to keep away that judgment of good and bad, but like where it can become more problematic for people is.
Trying to impress others without regard to your own long-term progress and your long-term health. It's like, I just wanna achieve this goal so that I can say that I did it. Mm-hmm. Even if I, that means I overtrain myself and now have to take six months off.
[00:40:29] Kevin: Yeah. I mean, this happens both with trying to chase a.
Race pr. Mm-hmm. But it also just happens in training itself. Like this is the, the Strava trap and I don't have Strava. Mm. It seems like a fascinating world to live inside of, but I, I don't have it cuz it seems like a, a, it could have the negative slippery slope side to it. Very much so. It, it does to, for a lot of people because, You want to post what you put out for your run that day.
Mm-hmm. But if your run was like, I did like a, a slow easy recovery jog, do you want to put that [00:41:00] out there? And so then people will, they'll put up all of their Strava data, but they'll make sure that they label it. And it was very clear, easy recovery jog. Mm-hmm. And then, Or
[00:41:09] Angie: just so you know, my pace isn't as fast as that.
It it's supposed to be, or
[00:41:12] Kevin: it should be. Yeah. There's 120 degrees outside and the humidity was through the roof, and so that's my justification for running slow. Or they'll avoid that and they'll be like, all right, well if I'm, if everything's getting posted to Strava, then it just needs to be one really good workout after the next, after the next.
And suddenly you've completely overtrained yourself because you're so worried about what your Strava file
[00:41:32] Angie: is gonna say because you're so worried about what other people are going to think or judge you about your Strava file. Right. I mean, I remember when like Molly Seidel, she posted uh, a workout and said something.
I forget the exact comments, but her comments were something about how slow her run was that day. Yeah. And. It was because it was like nine something minute pace. Yeah. Per mile. And for her, that is slow. That is an easy recovery run. But [00:42:00] she took so much heat off of the internet. Yep. Because people are like, oh, nine minute mile.
That's not slow. I would wish to, you know, that I could run that, but for Molly Seidel who runs marathons in under six minute pace, yep. A nine minute mile is a slow mile for her. It's all relative. Again, there's no such thing as fast and slow. I mean, there's things I think that we could all agree that Molly Seidel, Elliot Kipchoge, like they're fast runners, right?
Like we can all agree on certain things. But again, I. It's all relative. It's completely
[00:42:28] Kevin: relative. And yeah, she took a lot of heat off of that cuz if I remember correctly, she'd like posted a picture of herself probably looking awful, and a picture of her watch. Mm-hmm. She didn't actually post her past, but she took a picture.
[00:42:39] Angie: don't remember her posting a picture of it. I just think it was like a comment that she put in Strava. Oh. A about that run, I mean, or the way that she named
[00:42:46] Kevin: that run. So maybe I'm thinking of somebody else, but someone had a picture of their watch after a run and then it was like really struggled through this one.
Mm-hmm. And then, The internet being what it is, someone zoomed in on the picture to figure out exactly how [00:43:00] far and fast they went of like, oh, like it, like the ultimate humble brag off of this one of, you know, zoom in on the watch and see exactly how fast and far that person went, but, You have to realize that we're not all Olympians, right?
So their struggle day and our struggle day are gonna be completely different
[00:43:16] Angie: images, but they're gonna feel the same like all. And that's the beautiful thing about running is that regardless of what the number on your watch says, we all know what it's like to struggle. Yeah. And that's what we can connect to with other people.
It doesn't have to be the exact. Pace or the same distance that's causing the struggle. It's just a struggle Run is a struggle run. Right. And we all know what that
[00:43:36] Kevin: feels like, right? So some of us are like, well, I'm gonna drag myself through this thing. Right? And you get through three miles and some people who are being paid to run for a living are like, I had to drag myself through it and it was 12 miles.
Right? And it, you know, it doesn't compute, but that's their job. Sometimes we have bad days at the office. I
[00:43:52] Angie: mean, it's like when, when people with you. You know when Kevin is someone that eats a lot of food and does not gain weight, [00:44:00] and people hear that and they're like, oh, that's such a struggle. Like, I wish I had that problem.
[00:44:03] Kevin: You know, like, yes, I would like to put on five more pounds so that I can be more equipped to
[00:44:07] Angie: run an ultra marathon. Exactly like it actually is a struggle for you. Like that is an important thing to help you achieve your goals. And people, since you don't fit into their box or of the struggles that they're used to, they don't like to recognize that is a struggle for you.
Yeah. Like it was hard for me too, and I'm married to you, you know, like. Because I am part of the, the people in the other box. Yeah. Like, of like, oh, I, you know, have struggled with my weight in the opposite direction. Right. Of like, I've had too much weight that I, or quote unquote, too much weight. Right.
Like sure. In, in my mind mm-hmm. Um, wasn't easy to lose for me. And you've You're the same struggle. Just in the opposite direction.
[00:44:46] Kevin: Yeah. It's still, it's still a struggle. It's still a struggle. Right. And it's still trying to, to. It's not trying to make my body fit into anybody else's spot. It's trying to make my body be as successful, be prepared to be as successful as possible.
[00:44:59] Angie: way that you want it
[00:44:59] Kevin: [00:45:00] to. Yeah. For performance day. Right. And that's, that's what it is. So training to try to impress somebody. Mm-hmm. It to completely. Sacrifice, whatever your long-term progress is. I've got this workout and then this workout and this workout. Great. How'd that race go at the end of it?
You know, like, or what does that look like five years down the road? Mm-hmm. Because you're probably not still stack stacking impressive workout after workout of workout because you're
[00:45:21] Angie: broken. Yeah. And I think that leads nicely, like into like the last point that we wanted to make of, of ways that. We do things to kind of satisfy our ego.
It's getting caught in other people's races.
[00:45:32] Kevin: Yes. I personally have done this many, many times and yeah, I, I think I'm getting better at it or at least I recognize as I'm doing it. Mm-hmm. But my first thought I put this one in here cuz I vividly remember doing this when I was a freshman in high school.
Mm-hmm. And a track me, I qualified for the freshman, sophomore, top eight invitational, cuz I had one of the top eight times in the league. Mm-hmm. I knew I was going to probably get eighth. Mm-hmm. Actually, the top [00:46:00] 16 people made it in and then the top eight people got medals. I was probably somewhere in the, like mid to back teens.
Okay. Because I was a freshman. But it was also at this track meet that as you were running, they were literally announcing names. So it was the two mile eight laps of the track. I took the lead 200 meters into it and I got my name announced over the stadium, and then I promptly faded for the next step and a half laps.
Oh, that's painful. And afterwards my coach is like, what Brown? What was that? I'm like, coach, they said my name. And he was just like, you're, you're an idiot. He put me in a box. Yeah. Um,
[00:46:38] Angie: but, but, but this is like equivalent to when you're going out and running a half marathon. Mm-hmm. Or a 5K or a 10 K, whatever it is.
Say, say you're out running your local 5K and, and you've decided, okay, here's my pacing strategy. This is what I'm gonna do. And then someone runs by you in a banana suit.
[00:46:55] Kevin: That was exactly when you say, then the banana runs past, you're like, well, this, I can't let the
[00:46:59] Angie: [00:47:00] banana beat
[00:47:00] Kevin: me. And then it seems appealing to chase that down.
Right? And then you throw
[00:47:04] Angie: your race plan out the window to try to keep up with the banana.
[00:47:08] Kevin: Did. Did you laugh partway through that? Cuz you caught my appealing joke, but you had already started your sentence. Oh my god. No, I didn't catch it. Come on, catch it. I really thought I nailed that one. Oh, I totally missed it.
I'm sorry. But this happens so often in whatever the race is, whatever the race distance is, somebody goes past you and you now decide. Whether they're in a customer or not, you're like, well, I'm just gonna stay with that person. Right? And then that person decides to throw in a search. Yeah. Then that person needs a bathroom break and you've lost, you're like, do I stop and go with like, what?
What goes along?
[00:47:39] Angie: I see men doing this a lot with women too, like, oh, right. Like I can't let a girl beat me. Yeah. You know that, that kind of ego that's getting in
[00:47:46] Kevin: the way. Oh, I mean, one of the, the most tragic things I think to watch is the finish line of the local 5K of watching the like 30 to 40 year old men just.
Kick it in [00:48:00] with everything they possibly can and then just like stumble across the line and dry heave over in the grass. Yeah. Because they had to beat the 16 year old girl. Yeah. Who's like the high school phenom. Right. But they're not a chance. They're like throwing elbows. The poor girl is out there pulling on her ponytail like it's brutal.
And I watched it. Yeah. Way too many times.
[00:48:21] Angie: I know, I know. But that's, a lot of people get stuck in that, right? Yeah. Because they're like, that person's not gonna beat me. And instead of it coming from. A, a place of, let me keep up with this person. Mm-hmm. Using it as motivation. It's, it's the opposite. And again, you can use this to your advantage.
Yes. Right? Like, there, there's a way that this is a really good thing for some people. It's just your thought about it and just. Again, guys, we, our goal for this episode was to bring that awareness so that you can start to notice and you can just start to question these things because when you become more aware of it now you have more power over your results.
You have more power over your writing, and you have more power over your [00:49:00] life. You have power over your goals because you can control the way you're thinking about things. You can decide, okay, do I like the way that I'm thinking about things? Is this a helpful way for me to think about it? Or is it not?
Like, is it moving me in the wrong direction or the right direction?
[00:49:14] Kevin: I. Yeah. I mean that, that's, that's really what all this is because you can twist most of these things to be a positive, beneficial, you can make it like a short term motivation and it gets you going. Mm-hmm. Of, I recognize what's going on here.
I recognize this is really coming just to satisfy my ego. Mm-hmm. But it's gonna get me out the door. And once I get out the door, maybe that's gonna start a habit. It's gonna start the habit wheel where you're going, and that's positive. Mm-hmm. Like, So many people are like, well, if I get motivated, then I can start doing the action.
But the action very often creates the motivation because you've got this sustainable thing that's going. Yeah,
[00:49:51] Angie: because motivation, again, is just a feeling. Yep. And your feelings are created by your thoughts. So if you're doing the action, then your thoughts. Often become, [00:50:00] I can do it. Yeah. Or I am doing it.
And then it naturally breeds more motivation. Right. Which is why they say that action breeds motivations because when we start to take actions, we start to change the way we think about things. Yeah. Because it, again, it all goes back to our thoughts. It all goes back to our, our beliefs. It all goes back to our ego, our sense of self, our sense of identity, our sense of who we are and how.
Reality is in the world. So be aware of that ego because it's a tricky little stinker that sometimes gets in your way, but it can also be something that you use to your advantage, and that's what we hope that you start to do after this episode. Mm-hmm.
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